Season's Greeting

[John Hall]

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

[Andy Walker]

Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Likewise. And to you, John, though not /too/ happy; the rest
of us don't want Surrey running off with all the titles!

[John Hall]

Post by Andy Walker

Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Likewise. And to you, John, though not /too/ happy; the rest
of us don't want Surrey running off with all the titles!

Thanks.

As England calls on our players seem likely to be heavier than ever next
season, I'm not over-confident that we can win the Championship (which
is the one that really matters) for a fourth time in a row. Though it
now looks as though Curran, Jacks and Topley might have fallen out of
England's white-ball plans, I have a feeling that even when the IPL
isn't in progress they may find other T20 tournaments (plus the Hundred,
of course) that they will prefer to playing in rather than for Surrey.

[David North]

Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Happy Christmas everyone.

[John Hall]

Post by David North

Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Happy Christmas everyone.

Thanks.

[miked]

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Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Happy Christmas everyone.

And Goodwill to all persons.

Amazing start to the 4th test at MCG. Konstas on deboo is giving Bumrah
the ramp and after several airshots where he was lucky not to be bowled,
Bumrah goes for 4,6,4 in the same over. India have 2 men behind the
keeper! 37-0 off 9 overs. 18 years separate the Ozman and the greek.

mike

[John Hall]

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Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Happy Christmas everyone.

And Goodwill to all persons.
Amazing start to the 4th test at MCG. Konstas on deboo is giving Bumrah
the ramp and after several airshots where he was lucky not to be bowled,
Bumrah goes for 4,6,4 in the same over. India have 2 men behind the
keeper! 37-0 off 9 overs. 18 years separate the Ozman and the greek.
mike

Runs for Lambuschagne and Smith, I see, which they were badly in need
of.

[miked]

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Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Happy Christmas everyone.

And Goodwill to all persons.
Amazing start to the 4th test at MCG. Konstas on deboo is giving Bumrah
the ramp and after several airshots where he was lucky not to be bowled,
Bumrah goes for 4,6,4 in the same over. India have 2 men behind the
keeper! 37-0 off 9 overs. 18 years separate the Ozman and the greek.
mike

Runs for Lambuschagne and Smith, I see, which they were badly in need
of.

yes not good news for the ashes, a lot of oz on the net wanted them
gone.
oz seem to be extremely reluctant to bring in new players, prefering to
rely on the old guard, unless injury forces a change. but it seems to be
working so far,
the exception being finding a opening bat to partner ozman.

Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

mike

[John Hall]

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Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Happy Christmas everyone.

And Goodwill to all persons.
Amazing start to the 4th test at MCG. Konstas on deboo is giving Bumrah
the ramp and after several airshots where he was lucky not to be bowled,
Bumrah goes for 4,6,4 in the same over. India have 2 men behind the
keeper! 37-0 off 9 overs. 18 years separate the Ozman and the greek.
mike

Runs for Lambuschagne and Smith, I see, which they were badly in need
of.

yes not good news for the ashes, a lot of oz on the net wanted them
gone.
oz seem to be extremely reluctant to bring in new players, prefering to
rely on the old guard, unless injury forces a change. but it seems to be
working so far,
the exception being finding a opening bat to partner ozman.

Konstas seems to be a fan of Bazball. :)

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.
mike

Yes, I saw that. There can't be many instances of three or more brothers
playing Test cricket. I know three Graces (WG, EM and GF) played in
England's first Test on home soil in 1880. I think as many as five
Mohammed brothers (including Hanif, Wazir and Mushtaq) played for
Pakistan in the 1950s and 1960s. The Chappells are another threesome.

There must be a lot more pairs of brothers: the Waughs, Hadlees (whose
father also played in Tests) and Hollioakes immediately come to mind.

[miked]

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Post by David North

Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Happy Christmas everyone.

And Goodwill to all persons.
Amazing start to the 4th test at MCG. Konstas on deboo is giving Bumrah
the ramp and after several airshots where he was lucky not to be bowled,
Bumrah goes for 4,6,4 in the same over. India have 2 men behind the
keeper! 37-0 off 9 overs. 18 years separate the Ozman and the greek.
mike

Runs for Lambuschagne and Smith, I see, which they were badly in need
of.

yes not good news for the ashes, a lot of oz on the net wanted them
gone.
oz seem to be extremely reluctant to bring in new players, prefering to
rely on the old guard, unless injury forces a change. but it seems to be
working so far,
the exception being finding a opening bat to partner ozman.

Konstas seems to be a fan of Bazball. :)

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.
mike

Yes, I saw that. There can't be many instances of three or more brothers
playing Test cricket. I know three Graces (WG, EM and GF) played in
England's first Test on home soil in 1880. I think as many as five
Mohammed brothers (including Hanif, Wazir and Mushtaq) played for
Pakistan in the 1950s and 1960s.

was sadiq M 1 of of the bros, who was the 5th? maybe the khans but
perhaps they were all cousins.

Post by John Hall
The Chappells are another threesome.

did terrible tim plays tests? i thought only odis.

Post by John Hall
There must be a lot more pairs of brothers: the Waughs, Hadlees (whose
father also played in Tests) and Hollioakes immediately come to mind.

also ian & tony greig. chris and robin smith. mohinder amarnath and his
bro for india? before my time but wernt there 2 bros called Rowan for
RSA? Also the Pollocks. 1 was lethal with the ball, the other with the
bat. Dunno about sri lanka cos they often have 3 players with the same
surname, but theyr usually unrelated.

mike

[John Hall]

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Post by John Hall
Yes, I saw that. There can't be many instances of three or more brothers
playing Test cricket. I know three Graces (WG, EM and GF) played in
England's first Test on home soil in 1880. I think as many as five
Mohammed brothers (including Hanif, Wazir and Mushtaq) played for
Pakistan in the 1950s and 1960s.

was sadiq M 1 of of the bros, who was the 5th?

I thought - wrongly it turns out - that Sadiq was the next generation.
See David's post.

Post by miked
maybe the khans but
perhaps they were all cousins.

It's a very common name in Pakistan, it seems, and I'm not sure than any
of them were related.

Post by miked

Post by John Hall
The Chappells are another threesome.

did terrible tim plays tests? i thought only odis.

So did I, until I checked and found he'd played one or two Tests.

Post by miked

Post by John Hall
There must be a lot more pairs of brothers: the Waughs, Hadlees (whose
father also played in Tests) and Hollioakes immediately come to mind.

also ian & tony greig.

I don't think Ian ever played in Tests.

Post by miked
chris and robin smith. mohinder amarnath and his
bro for india?

I have an idea they were father and son.

Post by miked
before my time but wernt there 2 bros called Rowan for
RSA?

There were certainly a couple of Rowans, but without checking I don't
know if they were related.

Post by miked
Also the Pollocks. 1 was lethal with the ball, the other with the
bat. Dunno about sri lanka cos they often have 3 players with the same
surname, but theyr usually unrelated.
mike

[David North]

Post by John Hall
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Post by miked

Post by John Hall
Yes, I saw that. There can't be many instances of three or more brothers
playing Test cricket. I know three Graces (WG, EM and GF) played in
England's first Test on home soil in 1880. I think as many as five
Mohammed brothers (including Hanif, Wazir and Mushtaq) played for
Pakistan in the 1950s and 1960s.

was sadiq M 1 of of the bros, who was the 5th?

I thought - wrongly it turns out -  that Sadiq was the next generation.
See David's post.

Post by miked
 maybe the khans but
perhaps they were all cousins.

It's a very common name in Pakistan, it seems, and I'm not sure than any
of them were related.

Majid is the son of Jahangir, who played for India in the 1930s, the
father of Bazid, who played one Test in 2005, and the cousin of Imran
and Javed Burki.

Moin and Nadeeem are brothers.

Post by John Hall

Post by miked

Post by John Hall
The Chappells are another threesome.

did terrible tim plays tests? i thought only odis.

So did I, until I checked and found he'd played one or two Tests.

I was surprised to find that it was actually three (the first three of
the 1981 Ashes).

Post by John Hall

Post by miked

Post by John Hall
There must be a lot more pairs of brothers: the Waughs, Hadlees (whose
father also played in Tests) and Hollioakes immediately come to mind.

also ian & tony greig.

I don't think Ian ever played in Tests.

He played in two v Pakistan in 1982, opening the bowling with Botham in
the first of them and taking 4/53 in the first innings, including Zaheer
Abbas.

Post by John Hall

Post by miked
chris and robin smith. mohinder amarnath and his
bro for india?

I have an idea they were father and son.

You're both right! Lala was Mohinder's father, and Surinder is his
brother. A third brother, Rajinder, and Surinder's son, Digvijay, played
FC cricket.

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Post by miked
before my time but wernt there 2 bros called Rowan for
RSA?

There were certainly a couple of Rowans, but without checking I don't
know if they were related.

Yes they were - Eric and Athol

Post by John Hall

Post by miked
Also the Pollocks. 1 was lethal with the ball, the other with the
bat. Dunno about sri lanka cos they often have 3 players with the same
surname, but theyr usually unrelated.

Three Ranatunga brothers, plus three other pairs (Kaluperuma,
Samaraweera and Wettimuny).

[miked]

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Post by John Hall
The Chappells are another threesome.

did terrible tim plays tests? i thought only odis.

Trevor i meant ;-)

apparently all three chappells played against NZ in a odi in 1980.

Post by David North

Post by John Hall
So did I, until I checked and found he'd played one or two Tests.

I was surprised to find that it was actually three (the first three of
the 1981 Ashes).

all this came after the infamous ball rolling incident against NZ. i
wont say underarm becos that gives underam a bad name. I always thought
the umpires should have called a no ball becos the ball was rolled. he
also played in the 1983 WC. I think his best match was his first test
when he maybe hit the winning runs at TB, he was not out at the end
anyway, and Dilley bowled very well in that match as oz inched their way
to the target. Boy did they bat slowly in those days.

mike

[David North]

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Post by David North

Post by John Hall
<snip>

Post by miked

Post by John Hall
The Chappells are another threesome.

did terrible tim plays tests? i thought only odis.

Trevor i meant ;-)
apparently all three chappells played against NZ in a odi in 1980.

No - Ian's last ODI was in Jan 1980, and Trevor's first was in Nov that
year. They may have played together in WSC.

Post by miked

Post by David North

Post by John Hall
So did I, until I checked and found he'd played one or two Tests.

I was surprised to find that it was actually three (the first three of
the 1981 Ashes).

all this came after the infamous ball rolling incident against NZ. i
wont say underarm becos that gives underam a bad name. I always thought
the umpires should have called a no ball becos the ball was rolled.

It wasn't against the Laws at that time.

https://archive.acscricket.com/research/Laws_of_Cricket/1980/Law_24.html

he

Post by miked
also played in the 1983 WC. I think his best match was his first test
when he maybe hit the winning runs at TB,

Yes, he did.

http://www.sportstats.com.au/zArchive/1980s/1981EA/1981EA1bbb1.pdf

[John Hall]

Post by miked
all this came after the infamous ball rolling incident against NZ. i
wont say underarm becos that gives underam a bad name. I always thought
the umpires should have called a no ball becos the ball was rolled.

There was nothing in the Laws or playing regulations at the time that
would have justified that. It was unethical but not illegal.

I always felt that the reaction, to change the Laws to make underarm
deliveries illegal, went too far, and that they should just have
outlawed rolling the ball along the ground.

Post by miked
he
also played in the 1983 WC. I think his best match was his first test
when he maybe hit the winning runs at TB, he was not out at the end
anyway, and Dilley bowled very well in that match as oz inched their way
to the target. Boy did they bat slowly in those days.

Often they did, though the nadir was in the 1950s and 1960s.

[miked]

Post by John Hall

Post by miked
all this came after the infamous ball rolling incident against NZ. i
wont say underarm becos that gives underam a bad name. I always thought
the umpires should have called a no ball becos the ball was rolled.

There was nothing in the Laws or playing regulations at the time that
would have justified that. It was unethical but not illegal.
I always felt that the reaction, to change the Laws to make underarm
deliveries illegal, went too far, and that they should just have
outlawed rolling the ball along the ground.

yes def so, although AIUI, in the 18th cent when they played with those
curved bats like hockey stix the ball was delivered by rolling along.
then there were the lobsters or lob bowlers who threw the ball high in
the air. those would be called no balls today even if underam was
relegalised. i think underarm bowling could be useful in t20s.

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Post by miked
he
also played in the 1983 WC. I think his best match was his first test
when he maybe hit the winning runs at TB, he was not out at the end
anyway, and Dilley bowled very well in that match as oz inched their way
to the target. Boy did they bat slowly in those days.

Often they did, though the nadir was in the 1950s and 1960s.

yes but they were clearly bowling a lot more overs an hour, i spose
partly cos there were so many dot balls. but even at the lords test
1981, both sides took about 150 overs to make just over 300, although
before that uncovered wkts did prob make for more treacherous pitches.

mike

[David North]

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Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.
mike

Yes, I saw that. There can't be many instances of three or more brothers
playing Test cricket. I know three Graces (WG, EM and GF) played in
England's first Test on home soil in 1880. I think as many as five
Mohammed brothers (including Hanif, Wazir and Mushtaq) played for
Pakistan in the 1950s and 1960s.

Four played for Pakistan, Sadiq being the other one (mostly in the 1970s
in his case). Raees played FC cricket, but not Tests. Hanif's son,
Shoaib, also played Tests, and Shoaib's son, Shehzar, played FC cricket.

Post by John Hall
The Chappells are another threesome.

The Currans are the 9th threesome, but only the 2nd to play for more
than one country, after the Hearnes, who all played for England, but
Frank also played for SA, including once against his brothers.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/related-test-players-283744

[John Hall]

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Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.
mike

Yes, I saw that. There can't be many instances of three or more
brothers playing Test cricket. I know three Graces (WG, EM and GF)
played in England's first Test on home soil in 1880. I think as many
as five Mohammed brothers (including Hanif, Wazir and Mushtaq) played
for Pakistan in the 1950s and 1960s.

Four played for Pakistan, Sadiq being the other one (mostly in the
1970s in his case). Raees played FC cricket, but not Tests. Hanif's
son, Shoaib, also played Tests, and Shoaib's son, Shehzar, played FC
cricket.

Thanks for correcting my shaky memory.

Post by David North

Post by John Hall
The Chappells are another threesome.

The Currans are the 9th threesome, but only the 2nd to play for more
than one country, after the Hearnes, who all played for England, but
Frank also played for SA, including once against his brothers.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/related-test-players-283744

Thanks,

[David North]

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

Also notable in that Test is that both sides include players making
their FC debuts: AM Ghazanfar for Afghanistan, and Newman Nyamhuri for
Zimbabwe (both 18). Azmatullah Omarzai has only played 5 FC matches, the
last of which was 5 years ago.

[miked]

Post by David North

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

Also notable in that Test is that both sides include players making
their FC debuts: AM Ghazanfar for Afghanistan, and Newman Nyamhuri for
Zimbabwe (both 18). Azmatullah Omarzai has only played 5 FC matches, the
last of which was 5 years ago.

yes rahmat shah who is 231no, is quite the veteran with 9 tests and 28FC
although he has played 120 odis. 361 for the 3rd wkt so far; that pitch
must be quite a road.

mike

[David North]

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Post by David North

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

Also notable in that Test is that both sides include players making
their FC debuts: AM Ghazanfar for Afghanistan, and Newman Nyamhuri for
Zimbabwe (both 18). Azmatullah Omarzai has only played 5 FC matches, the
last of which was 5 years ago.

yes rahmat shah who is 231no, is quite the veteran with 9 tests and 28FC
although he has played 120 odis. 361 for the 3rd wkt so far; that pitch
must be quite a road.

Rahmat held the record for the highest Test score for Afghanistan for 76
overs (spread over 3 days) before Hashmatullah Shahidi took it back.

When Hashmatullah set the previous record, also against Zimbabwe, at Abu
Dhabi in 2021, he took it from Asghar Afghan, who had taken it from
Rahmat 61 overs earlier in the same innings.

It's the 21st instance of two scores of 200+ in a Test innings, but
Bulawayo is the first ground where it has happened twice, Marvan
Atapattu and Kumar Sangakkara having done it there in 2004.

[miked]

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Post by David North

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

Also notable in that Test is that both sides include players making
their FC debuts: AM Ghazanfar for Afghanistan, and Newman Nyamhuri for
Zimbabwe (both 18). Azmatullah Omarzai has only played 5 FC matches, the
last of which was 5 years ago.

yes rahmat shah who is 231no, is quite the veteran with 9 tests and 28FC
although he has played 120 odis. 361 for the 3rd wkt so far; that pitch
must be quite a road.

Rahmat held the record for the highest Test score for Afghanistan for 76
overs (spread over 3 days) before Hashmatullah Shahidi took it back.
When Hashmatullah set the previous record, also against Zimbabwe, at Abu
Dhabi in 2021, he took it from Asghar Afghan, who had taken it from
Rahmat 61 overs earlier in the same innings.
It's the 21st instance of two scores of 200+ in a Test innings, but
Bulawayo is the first ground where it has happened twice, Marvan
Atapattu and Kumar Sangakkara having done it there in 2004.

I believe it was both afghan and zimbab highest score, has that happened
in the same test before? zimbab in a bit of trouble, theyr still behind
and only 6 wkts left.

mike

[John Hall]

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Post by David North

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Post by David North

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

Also notable in that Test is that both sides include players making
their FC debuts: AM Ghazanfar for Afghanistan, and Newman Nyamhuri for
Zimbabwe (both 18). Azmatullah Omarzai has only played 5 FC matches, the
last of which was 5 years ago.

yes rahmat shah who is 231no, is quite the veteran with 9 tests and 28FC
although he has played 120 odis. 361 for the 3rd wkt so far; that pitch
must be quite a road.

Rahmat held the record for the highest Test score for Afghanistan for 76
overs (spread over 3 days) before Hashmatullah Shahidi took it back.
When Hashmatullah set the previous record, also against Zimbabwe, at Abu
Dhabi in 2021, he took it from Asghar Afghan, who had taken it from
Rahmat 61 overs earlier in the same innings.
It's the 21st instance of two scores of 200+ in a Test innings, but
Bulawayo is the first ground where it has happened twice, Marvan
Atapattu and Kumar Sangakkara having done it there in 2004.

I believe it was both afghan and zimbab highest score, has that happened
in the same test before? zimbab in a bit of trouble, theyr still behind
and only 6 wkts left.
mike

Wasn't today the final day?

[miked]

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Post by David North

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Post by David North

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

Also notable in that Test is that both sides include players making
their FC debuts: AM Ghazanfar for Afghanistan, and Newman Nyamhuri for
Zimbabwe (both 18). Azmatullah Omarzai has only played 5 FC matches, the
last of which was 5 years ago.

yes rahmat shah who is 231no, is quite the veteran with 9 tests and 28FC
although he has played 120 odis. 361 for the 3rd wkt so far; that pitch
must be quite a road.

Rahmat held the record for the highest Test score for Afghanistan for 76
overs (spread over 3 days) before Hashmatullah Shahidi took it back.
When Hashmatullah set the previous record, also against Zimbabwe, at Abu
Dhabi in 2021, he took it from Asghar Afghan, who had taken it from
Rahmat 61 overs earlier in the same innings.
It's the 21st instance of two scores of 200+ in a Test innings, but
Bulawayo is the first ground where it has happened twice, Marvan
Atapattu and Kumar Sangakkara having done it there in 2004.

I believe it was both afghan and zimbab highest score, has that happened
in the same test before? zimbab in a bit of trouble, theyr still behind
and only 6 wkts left.
mike

Wasn't today the final day?

yes but they were still playing when i looked and i'd forgotten the time
diff.

mike

[David North]

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Post by David North

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Post by David North

Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

Also notable in that Test is that both sides include players making
their FC debuts: AM Ghazanfar for Afghanistan, and Newman Nyamhuri for
Zimbabwe (both 18). Azmatullah Omarzai has only played 5 FC matches, the
last of which was 5 years ago.

yes rahmat shah who is 231no, is quite the veteran with 9 tests and 28FC
although he has played 120 odis. 361 for the 3rd wkt so far; that pitch
must be quite a road.

Rahmat held the record for the highest Test score for Afghanistan for 76
overs (spread over 3 days) before Hashmatullah Shahidi took it back.
When Hashmatullah set the previous record, also against Zimbabwe, at Abu
Dhabi in 2021, he took it from Asghar Afghan, who had taken it from
Rahmat 61 overs earlier in the same innings.
It's the 21st instance of two scores of 200+ in a Test innings, but
Bulawayo is the first ground where it has happened twice, Marvan
Atapattu and Kumar Sangakkara having done it there in 2004.

I believe it was both afghan and zimbab highest score, has that happened
in the same test before?

Yes:

SL 497, NZ 671/4, Wellington, 1990/91
WI 631, Ind 454, Delhi, 1948/49
Eng 420, Aus 327, The Oval, 1880
Eng 261, Aus 259, Melbourne (2nd Test), 1876/77
Aus 245, Eng 196, Melbourne (1st Test), 1876/77 (obviously)

[dnorth]

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Post by miked
Meanwhile the middle curran, Ben, made 68 for zimbab vs Afghans in
bulawayo.

Also notable in that Test is that both sides include players making
their FC debuts: AM Ghazanfar for Afghanistan, and Newman Nyamhuri for
Zimbabwe (both 18). Azmatullah Omarzai has only played 5 FC matches, the
last of which was 5 years ago.

yes rahmat shah who is 231no, is quite the veteran with 9 tests and 28FC
although he has played 120 odis. 361 for the 3rd wkt so far; that pitch
must be quite a road.

Rahmat held the record for the highest Test score for Afghanistan for 76
overs (spread over 3 days) before Hashmatullah Shahidi took it back.
When Hashmatullah set the previous record, also against Zimbabwe, at Abu
Dhabi in 2021, he took it from Asghar Afghan, who had taken it from
Rahmat 61 overs earlier in the same innings.
It's the 21st instance of two scores of 200+ in a Test innings, but
Bulawayo is the first ground where it has happened twice, Marvan
Atapattu and Kumar Sangakkara having done it there in 2004.

I believe it was both afghan and zimbab highest score, has that happened
in the same test before?

SL 497, NZ 671/4, Wellington, 1990/91
WI 631, Ind 454, Delhi, 1948/49
Eng 420, Aus 327, The Oval, 1880
Eng 261, Aus 259, Melbourne (2nd Test), 1876/77
Aus 245, Eng 196, Melbourne (1st Test), 1876/77 (obviously)

I see that Rashid Khan was back in the Afghanistan Test team in the 2nd
Test, for the first time in nearly 4 years, and he was the biggest
factor in their first win since his previous Test. He has now taken 11
wickets in a match 3 times in his last 4 Tests.

[Andy Walker]

Post by dnorth
I see that Rashid Khan was back in the Afghanistan Test team in the 2nd
Test, for the first time in nearly 4 years, and he was the biggest
factor in their first win since his previous Test. He has now taken 11
wickets in a match 3 times in his last 4 Tests.

(a) One of the interesting things in "Crickonomics" [by Szymanski
and Wigmore] is the chapter on the influence of Afghans on German cricket
[which now seems to be booming, largely as a consequence]. [I was not
impressed by most of the book, which virtually completely ignores club
and county cricket in favour of international cricket and Big Money. I
don't see how you can have flourishing Test/ODI/... cricket without a
lot of grass-roots and intermediate levels of cricket. Also, they have
an unfortunate "down" on public schools and amateurs.]

(b) A propos of nothing very much exc personal interest -- Ryan
Rickelton made 259 in SA's 1st innings vs Pakistan. A few years back,
he was playing club cricket in Nott'm, and his regular opening partner
was my son-in-law's brother. They rattled up several huge stands in very
quick time.

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Post by Andy Walker

Post by dnorth
I see that Rashid Khan was back in the Afghanistan Test team in the 2nd
Test, for the first time in nearly 4 years, and he was the biggest
factor in their first win since his previous Test. He has now taken 11
wickets in a match 3 times in his last 4 Tests.

(a) One of the interesting things in "Crickonomics" [by Szymanski
and Wigmore] is the chapter on the influence of Afghans on German cricket
[which now seems to be booming, largely as a consequence].

i've not seen this book, but is the 'German' cricket team mainly made up
of afghans and other asian expats, or are they coaches? About 15 years
ago i was helping out at a summer school for foreign students learning
english and persuaded their sporty guardians to use the colleges cricket
equipment to organise a single wicket game for the kids. Both boys and
girls thoroughly enjoyed it and several more games followed. Not only
that, no less than 5 of them went and bought cricket bats in town and
took them home with them and 4 of them were germans!

Post by Andy Walker
[I was not
impressed by most of the book, which virtually completely ignores club
and county cricket in favour of international cricket and Big Money. I
don't see how you can have flourishing Test/ODI/... cricket without a
lot of grass-roots and intermediate levels of cricket. Also, they have
an unfortunate "down" on public schools and amateurs.]

Yes without sounding like RH, most cricket in this country and indeed
the world,
is played by amateurs.

Also the current govt isnt keen on private schools, which as most of CC
cricketers seem to come from that background might be a worry. They have
to cope with the double whammy of the new VAT levy and employers NI
increase.

Post by Andy Walker
(b) A propos of nothing very much exc personal interest -- Ryan
Rickelton made 259 in SA's 1st innings vs Pakistan. A few years back,
he was playing club cricket in Nott'm, and his regular opening partner
was my son-in-law's brother. They rattled up several huge stands in very
quick time.

Thats RRs 2nd 100 in 3 tests. I havnt seen this innings but i do
remember seeing him play in the oval test a few years ago. his stance
then at the wicket would def upset the traditionalists, but they used to
say the same about SS and hes done pretty well.

mike

[John Hall]

Post by miked

Post by Andy Walker

Post by dnorth
I see that Rashid Khan was back in the Afghanistan Test team in the 2nd
Test, for the first time in nearly 4 years, and he was the biggest
factor in their first win since his previous Test. He has now taken 11
wickets in a match 3 times in his last 4 Tests.

(a) One of the interesting things in "Crickonomics" [by Szymanski
and Wigmore] is the chapter on the influence of Afghans on German cricket
[which now seems to be booming, largely as a consequence].

i've not seen this book, but is the 'German' cricket team mainly made up
of afghans and other asian expats, or are they coaches? About 15 years
ago i was helping out at a summer school for foreign students learning
english and persuaded their sporty guardians to use the colleges cricket
equipment to organise a single wicket game for the kids. Both boys and
girls thoroughly enjoyed it and several more games followed. Not only
that, no less than 5 of them went and bought cricket bats in town and
took them home with them and 4 of them were germans!

<snip>

Given how much cricket bats cost, that's impressive. Well done!

This Wikipedia article includes a list of those who have played for the
national team within the 12 months up to July 2024:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_national_cricket_team

One surprise is the name of Ben Kohler-Cadmore, but all the others
appear to be of Asian origin.

[miked]

Post by John Hall

Post by miked

Post by Andy Walker

Post by dnorth
I see that Rashid Khan was back in the Afghanistan Test team in the 2nd
Test, for the first time in nearly 4 years, and he was the biggest
factor in their first win since his previous Test. He has now taken 11
wickets in a match 3 times in his last 4 Tests.

(a) One of the interesting things in "Crickonomics" [by Szymanski
and Wigmore] is the chapter on the influence of Afghans on German cricket
[which now seems to be booming, largely as a consequence].

i've not seen this book, but is the 'German' cricket team mainly made up
of afghans and other asian expats, or are they coaches? About 15 years
ago i was helping out at a summer school for foreign students learning
english and persuaded their sporty guardians to use the colleges cricket
equipment to organise a single wicket game for the kids. Both boys and
girls thoroughly enjoyed it and several more games followed. Not only
that, no less than 5 of them went and bought cricket bats in town and
took them home with them and 4 of them were germans!

<snip>
Given how much cricket bats cost, that's impressive. Well done!
This Wikipedia article includes a list of those who have played for the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_national_cricket_team
One surprise is the name of Ben Kohler-Cadmore, but all the others
appear to be of Asian origin.

hes the elder bro of Tom, their mother is german. most of these new
european teams are made up of asians or other expats; italy should do
well as they have the Manenti bros from oz, Wayne Madsen, Gareth Berg
and Grant Stewart.

mike

[Andy Walker]

[I wrote:]

    (a) One of the interesting things in "Crickonomics" [by Szymanski
and Wigmore] is the chapter on the influence of Afghans on German
cricket [which now seems to be booming, largely as a consequence].

i've not seen this book, but is the 'German' cricket team mainly made up
of afghans and other asian expats, or are they coaches?

My copy has passed on to other family members, but from memory
[always fallible] although, as John says, at the highest levels almost
all of the German players are immigrants, at club level the game has
become surprisingly popular among ethnic Germans. IIRC, there were
700 clubs and 500 grounds some time back and growing rapidly. You can
imagine Germans standing around looking at Afghan immigrants playing
cricket, "Was ist das?", and getting interested. These days, there is
oodles of money floating around for development, and I expect this will
increase with the 2028 Olympics.

[... Also, they have
an unfortunate "down" on public schools and amateurs.]

Yes without sounding like RH, most cricket in this country and indeed
the world, is played by amateurs.

Yes, but "Crickonomics" is particularly scathing about amateur
administrators [esp at county and MCC levels]. Basically, they seem to
be interested only in the money flowing around cricket. To some extent
this is fair enough, given the title of the book, but club cricket is
where the professionals first gain their skills and experience.

Also the current govt isnt keen on private schools, which as most of CC> cricketers seem to come from that background might be a worry. They have
to cope with the double whammy of the new VAT levy and employers NI
increase.

The book seems to think that cricketers coming from private
schools is already a worry! It's not just the UK; Oz, SA and Indian
cricket is also disproportionately from wealthy/private backgrounds.

[John Hall]

In message <vljfl0$251nd$***@dont-email.me>, Andy Walker
<***@cuboid.co.uk> writes
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Post by Andy Walker
You can
imagine Germans standing around looking at Afghan immigrants playing
cricket, "Was ist das?", and getting interested.

The game's had rather a round-about route from England to Germany:
England > Pakistan (back when it was still part of India) > Afghanistan

Post by Andy Walker
Germany.

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Post by John Hall
<snip>

Post by Andy Walker
You can
imagine Germans standing around looking at Afghan immigrants playing
cricket, "Was ist das?", and getting interested.

England > Pakistan (back when it was still part of India) > Afghanistan

Post by Andy Walker
Germany.

Paul Baldwin was Mr Germany cricket a while ago. He's English, might
have been a serviceman. ICC umpire at a decent level.

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 12:05:56 +0000, David North

Post by David North

Post by John Hall
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to anyone reading this.

Happy Christmas everyone.

Happy Christmas

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