Discussion:
ODIs v Australia
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John Hall
2024-09-22 07:14:00 UTC
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I have a nasty feeling this could finish 5-0. England were comfortably
beaten yesterday in spite of having the best of the conditions. That
last wicket partnership of 49 for Australia was crucial. Hving been
68-5, England did pretty well to top 200, but winning from there was
always an almost hopeless task.
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John Hall

"I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking."
Katherine Cebrian
miked
2024-09-22 14:55:06 UTC
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Post by John Hall
I have a nasty feeling this could finish 5-0. England were comfortably
beaten yesterday in spite of having the best of the conditions. That
last wicket partnership of 49 for Australia was crucial. Hving been
68-5, England did pretty well to top 200, but winning from there was
always an almost hopeless task.
The top order is a bit casual ATM. Easy wkts for oz. In the 1st odi head
really gave them a lesson of how to do it. England would like to bat
like that but atm they not able, and when you consider that they had a
very 2nd string attack in the 1st, englands 315 was rubbish. And if
someone had only seen Brook this summer, theyd wonder what all the hype
is about. However the rest might well be rained off looking at the
forcast, so that might spare them further humiliation. They would be
stronger with root and stokes, but i hope theyr not tempted to rush
them back, but the bowling is getting slaughtered. Even rashid got some
stick and we have no real replacement for him.

mike
John Hall
2024-09-24 20:19:48 UTC
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Post by John Hall
I have a nasty feeling this could finish 5-0. England were comfortably
beaten yesterday in spite of having the best of the conditions. That
last wicket partnership of 49 for Australia was crucial. Hving been
68-5, England did pretty well to top 200, but winning from there was
always an almost hopeless task.
The top order is a bit casual ATM. Easy wkts for oz. In the 1st odi head
really gave them a lesson of how to do it. England would like to bat
like that but atm they not able, and when you consider that they had a
very 2nd string attack in the 1st, englands 315 was rubbish. And if
someone had only seen Brook this summer, theyd wonder what all the hype
is about. However the rest might well be rained off looking at the
forcast, so that might spare them further humiliation. They would be
stronger with root and stokes, but i hope theyr not tempted to rush
them back, but the bowling is getting slaughtered. Even rashid got some
stick and we have no real replacement for him.
mike
Well today's effort was a big improvement. England I think had the
better of the conditions, and Australia rested Head and were without
Zampa through illness, but Brook and Jacks batted very well, and
Livingstone played a nice cameo. The England bowling was still rather
variable, especially in the last ten overs when Carey and Hardie made
hay but, as we saw in England's innings, even good bowlers can struggle
when two "in" batsmen put their foot down.
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John Hall

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Katherine Cebrian
John Hall
2024-09-27 19:53:07 UTC
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Post by John Hall
I have a nasty feeling this could finish 5-0.
<big snip>

Shows how much I know! But it's been a remarkable turn-round. The only
pity is that the final match, at Bristol, seems to have a high risk of
being rained off.
--
John Hall

"I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking."
Katherine Cebrian
John Hall
2024-09-28 09:28:59 UTC
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Post by John Hall
Post by John Hall
I have a nasty feeling this could finish 5-0.
<big snip>
Shows how much I know! But it's been a remarkable turn-round. The only
pity is that the final match, at Bristol, seems to have a high risk of
being rained off.
To go into a bit more detail:

It seems to have been a good toss to have lost, as Brook too would have
put the opposition in. After Starc and Hazlewood's initial spell, the
pitch seemed to settle down, though Marsh got the ball to swing and
should perhaps have bowled himself for more than four overs, as everyone
else was going round the park.

When Australia batted, once the floodlights came on the ball started
seaming a lot more, fortunately for England. (Though the commentators
often ascribe this effect to the lights, it's hard to see how that could
be the real reason. Maybe it's that as dusk falls the temperature starts
to drop, which increases the humidity and that has an effect on the
pitch.)
--
John Hall

"I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking."
Katherine Cebrian
miked
2024-09-28 10:45:07 UTC
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Post by John Hall
Post by John Hall
Post by John Hall
I have a nasty feeling this could finish 5-0.
<big snip>
Shows how much I know! But it's been a remarkable turn-round. The only
pity is that the final match, at Bristol, seems to have a high risk of
being rained off.
It seems to have been a good toss to have lost, as Brook too would have
put the opposition in. After Starc and Hazlewood's initial spell, the
pitch seemed to settle down, though Marsh got the ball to swing and
should perhaps have bowled himself for more than four overs, as everyone
else was going round the park.
archer started well in the previous then i think his last 3 overs got
hit for ?40, same thing happened to starc, and in this match, starc
again got smashed around despite his experience and undoubtedly still a
v good bowler whatever his critics say. poss only quicks like bumrah and
hazel seem to be able fend off the sloggers all the time.
Post by John Hall
When Australia batted, once the floodlights came on the ball started
seaming a lot more, fortunately for England. (Though the commentators
often ascribe this effect to the lights, it's hard to see how that could
be the real reason. Maybe it's that as dusk falls the temperature starts
to drop, which increases the humidity and that has an effect on the
pitch.)
yes its fair to say that england had easily the better conditions
although until 9th over oz looked like they might stroll it. i know that
in the past england have always preferred to chase and often under
morgan had a lot of success, but i dunno why if conditions are good, you
would prefer to bat under lights. anyway i wouldnt want to watch cricket
in this weather, and perhaps the cold affected the oz, basically winter
weather for them. but certainly their best perf this entire series,
kudos to brook for turning it round, and if bristol is rained off, a
good end to the season.

meanwhile NZ are getting slaughtered by SL 601-5 and NZ 88ao. maybe we
were lucky to beat them 2-1!

mike
David North
2024-09-28 13:42:23 UTC
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Post by miked
meanwhile NZ are getting slaughtered by SL 601-5 and NZ 88ao. maybe we
were lucky to beat them 2-1!
I was going to say that SL are harder to beat on their own grounds, but
England have won their last 6 Tests there.
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John Hall
2024-09-28 17:23:29 UTC
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Post by miked
Post by John Hall
Post by John Hall
Post by John Hall
I have a nasty feeling this could finish 5-0.
<big snip>
Shows how much I know! But it's been a remarkable turn-round. The only
pity is that the final match, at Bristol, seems to have a high risk of
being rained off.
It seems to have been a good toss to have lost, as Brook too would have
put the opposition in. After Starc and Hazlewood's initial spell, the
pitch seemed to settle down, though Marsh got the ball to swing and
should perhaps have bowled himself for more than four overs, as everyone
else was going round the park.
archer started well in the previous then i think his last 3 overs got
hit for ?40, same thing happened to starc, and in this match, starc
again got smashed around despite his experience and undoubtedly still a
v good bowler whatever his critics say. poss only quicks like bumrah and
hazel seem to be able fend off the sloggers all the time.
Talking of Archer, it was encouraging to see that he was bowling at
pretty close to top speed, with a number of deliveries over 90.
Post by miked
Post by John Hall
When Australia batted, once the floodlights came on the ball started
seaming a lot more, fortunately for England. (Though the commentators
often ascribe this effect to the lights, it's hard to see how that could
be the real reason. Maybe it's that as dusk falls the temperature starts
to drop, which increases the humidity and that has an effect on the
pitch.)
yes its fair to say that england had easily the better conditions
although until 9th over oz looked like they might stroll it. i know that
in the past england have always preferred to chase and often under
morgan had a lot of success, but i dunno why if conditions are good, you
would prefer to bat under lights.
As the pitch had spent a lot of time under covers and the sky was
overcast, it was understandable why both captains wanted to bowl first,
even though of the previous nine ODIs played at Lord's eight had been
won by the side batting first (and the other match was the tied WC final
in 2019 which England won after the "super over").

In the event, this didn't seem to be a typical Lord's pitch, conditions
during the last two-thirds of England's innings being far more
favourable for quick scoring than is usually the case there.
Post by miked
anyway i wouldnt want to watch cricket
in this weather, and perhaps the cold affected the oz, basically winter
weather for them.
Some of the crowd were so well wrapped up that they looked like
Napoleon's army retreating from Moscow. And when Mike Atherton was out
on the pitch before or in between innings, the same applied to him.
Post by miked
but certainly their best perf this entire series,
kudos to brook for turning it round, and if bristol is rained off, a
good end to the season.
Currently the hour by hour forecast for Bristol on the Met Office
website is suggesting that the rain won't start there until getting on
for 4pm. As play starts at 11, depending on how many overs the side
batting second needs to face to get a result, with luck they might just
manage that.
Post by miked
meanwhile NZ are getting slaughtered by SL 601-5 and NZ 88ao.
Yes, not like them to fold like that. It looks to be close to their best
side too, remembering that Boult sadly has opted out of Test cricket.
Post by miked
maybe we
were lucky to beat them 2-1!
mike
I imagine that they find conditions a lot more amenable at home. Even
so, it's clearly a good performance. No doubt their confidence was
bolstered by beating England.

They've had better luck with the weather than India v Bangladesh. I seem
to remember something similar happening last year as well. Scheduling
matches in the Indian subcontinent so close to the end of the monsoon
season seems like tempting fate, but I suppose the programme is so
packed that there's no alternative.
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John Hall

"I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking."
Katherine Cebrian
John Hall
2024-09-30 20:31:22 UTC
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In message <bKr69YBRuD+***@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<***@jhall.co.uk> writes
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[re v Sri Lanka]
Post by John Hall
They've had better luck with the weather than India v Bangladesh. I
seem to remember something similar happening last year as well.
Scheduling matches in the Indian subcontinent so close to the end of
the monsoon season seems like tempting fate, but I suppose the
programme is so packed that there's no alternative.
India have certainly done their best to make up for lost time today, in
scoring at over 8 an over. And congrats to Ireland, who yesterday beat
SA in a T20 match played in Abu Dhabi. Adair scored exactly 100, then
took 4-31. Admittedly it was a rather under-strength SA side.
--
John Hall

"I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking."
Katherine Cebrian
miked
2024-10-01 16:57:48 UTC
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Post by John Hall
<big snip>
[re v Sri Lanka]
Post by John Hall
They've had better luck with the weather than India v Bangladesh. I
seem to remember something similar happening last year as well.
Scheduling matches in the Indian subcontinent so close to the end of
the monsoon season seems like tempting fate, but I suppose the
programme is so packed that there's no alternative.
India have certainly done their best to make up for lost time today, in
scoring at over 8 an over.
A fantastic win given the time lost, in the past it would have been a
tame draw, but Bdesh were bazballed into defeat.

Some other curious matches finished last and rather wet weekend of the
season; Hants were duly runners up, Sussex won the 2nd div, Yorks made
sure they were promoted by amassing 726 against Middlesex the only team
that could deny them, and Glamorgan won a forfeit innings match against
Gloucs, both of whom had a rather poor CC despite their 1day trophies.

Hants announced a takeover deal with an Indian group [elswhere i read it
was £120m, but that sounds way too much]
Post by John Hall
And congrats to Ireland, who yesterday beat
SA in a T20 match played in Abu Dhabi. Adair scored exactly 100, then
took 4-31. Admittedly it was a rather under-strength SA side.
well a win is a win, but there are 2 Adairs, Ross is the opener who made
100 and ?mark is the bowler, although i expect someone has prob made 100
and taken 4 wkts.

mike
John Hall
2024-10-01 18:11:02 UTC
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Post by miked
Post by John Hall
<big snip>
[re v Sri Lanka]
Post by John Hall
They've had better luck with the weather than India v Bangladesh. I
seem to remember something similar happening last year as well.
Scheduling matches in the Indian subcontinent so close to the end of
the monsoon season seems like tempting fate, but I suppose the
programme is so packed that there's no alternative.
India have certainly done their best to make up for lost time today, in
scoring at over 8 an over.
A fantastic win given the time lost, in the past it would have been a
tame draw, but Bdesh were bazballed into defeat.
Some other curious matches finished last and rather wet weekend of the
season; Hants were duly runners up, Sussex won the 2nd div, Yorks made
sure they were promoted by amassing 726 against Middlesex the only team
that could deny them, and Glamorgan won a forfeit innings match against
Gloucs, both of whom had a rather poor CC despite their 1day trophies.
Hants announced a takeover deal with an Indian group [elswhere i read it
was £120m, but that sounds way too much]
I think that's the figure that was quoted on the BBC website and in my
morning paper.
Post by miked
Post by John Hall
And congrats to Ireland, who yesterday beat
SA in a T20 match played in Abu Dhabi. Adair scored exactly 100, then
took 4-31. Admittedly it was a rather under-strength SA side.
well a win is a win, but there are 2 Adairs, Ross is the opener who made
100 and ?mark is the bowler, although i expect someone has prob made 100
and taken 4 wkts.
mike
Yes, my mistake.
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John Hall

"I don't even butter my bread; I consider that cooking."
Katherine Cebrian
max.it
2024-10-01 22:32:08 UTC
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Post by miked
Post by John Hall
<big snip>
[re v Sri Lanka]
Post by John Hall
They've had better luck with the weather than India v Bangladesh. I
seem to remember something similar happening last year as well.
Scheduling matches in the Indian subcontinent so close to the end of
the monsoon season seems like tempting fate, but I suppose the
programme is so packed that there's no alternative.
India have certainly done their best to make up for lost time today, in
scoring at over 8 an over.
A fantastic win given the time lost, in the past it would have been a
tame draw, but Bdesh were bazballed into defeat.
Some other curious matches finished last and rather wet weekend of the
season; Hants were duly runners up, Sussex won the 2nd div, Yorks made
sure they were promoted by amassing 726 against Middlesex the only team
that could deny them, and Glamorgan won a forfeit innings match against
Gloucs, both of whom had a rather poor CC despite their 1day trophies.
Hants announced a takeover deal with an Indian group [elswhere i read it
was £120m, but that sounds way too much]
I think that's the figure that was quoted on the BBC website and in my
morning paper.
Post by miked
Post by John Hall
And congrats to Ireland, who yesterday beat
SA in a T20 match played in Abu Dhabi. Adair scored exactly 100, then
took 4-31. Admittedly it was a rather under-strength SA side.
well a win is a win, but there are 2 Adairs, Ross is the opener who made
100 and ?mark is the bowler, although i expect someone has prob made 100
and taken 4 wkts.
mike
Yes, my mistake.
Ross played rugby for Ulster. Doak and Postlewaite(sp) current Ulster
players were decent cricketers at U13 / U15 and Jack Carson of Sussex
could easily have taken the Ulster rugby route.


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David North
2024-10-02 06:09:39 UTC
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Post by miked
Post by John Hall
And congrats to Ireland, who yesterday beat
SA in a T20 match played in Abu Dhabi. Adair scored exactly 100, then
took 4-31. Admittedly it was a rather under-strength SA side.
well a win is a win, but there are 2 Adairs, Ross is the opener who made
100 and ?mark is the bowler, although i expect someone has prob made 100
and taken 4 wkts.
The only players to have done that in T20Is are:

Francisco Damiao Couana, 104 & 5-19 for Mozambique v Cameroon at Kigali
in 2021/22

Sabawoon Davizi, 101 & 4-15 for Czech Republic v Malta at Marsa in 2019/20
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