T20 Final

[miked]

So its India vs RSA, justly so as they are the 2 unbeaten sides,
RSA 7 out of 7 are on a roll, but I will be surprised if they overcome
india.

Its a pity that the pitch in guyana was so poor, in fact many of them
throughout,
especially as its nr the climax of the tourney and instead of showcasing
cricket
a very 1 sided match.

But england were outplayed and fell in a heap. Again I thought it weird
that
Moeen didnt bowl at all. I spose england might have been influenced to
field
on what happened in the afghan game, but they like to chase. Perhaps
they
need a setup which is a bit more flexible.

mike

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Post by miked
So its India vs RSA, justly so as they are the 2 unbeaten sides,
RSA 7 out of 7 are on a roll, but I will be surprised if they overcome
india.
Its a pity that the pitch in guyana was so poor, in fact many of them
throughout,

India scored 171 on the same pitch despite rain interruptions and wet pitch.

So, you CAN'T really BLAME the pitch.

Ofcourse SA vs Afghan pitch was to be blamed but NOT this pitch.

Secondly, England WON the TOSS.

Post by miked
especially as its nr the climax of the tourney and instead of showcasing
cricket
a very 1 sided match.
But england were outplayed and fell in a heap. Again I thought it weird
that
Moeen didnt bowl at all. I spose england might have been influenced to
field
on what happened in the afghan game, but they like to chase. Perhaps
they
need a setup which is a bit more flexible.
mike

England CHOSE to field first after winning the toss because of RAIN
PREDICTION which most teams would have done.

Butler said so in the post match interview.

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Post by miked
So its India vs RSA, justly so as they are the 2 unbeaten sides,
RSA 7 out of 7 are on a roll, but I will be surprised if they overcome
india.
Its a pity that the pitch in guyana was so poor, in fact many of them
throughout,
especially as its nr the climax of the tourney and instead of showcasing
cricket
a very 1 sided match.
But england were outplayed and fell in a heap. Again I thought it weird
that
Moeen didnt bowl at all. I spose england might have been influenced to
field
on what happened in the afghan game, but they like to chase. Perhaps
they
need a setup which is a bit more flexible.
mike

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-eng-t20-world-cup-2024-rohit-sharma-and-india-earn-their-rewards-for-being-brave-1441277

In conditions where they could have been excused for minimising risk,
they took the brave option more often than not. And when they could help
it, and had gained an understanding of the conditions, they did this in
a smart, calculated way. This was T20 batting at its best.

And with Rohit being Rohit and Suryakumar being Suryakumar, there was,
ever so often, batting that defied the conditions. Rohit exposed all his
stumps and sent a Topley delivery rocketing to the cover boundary with
the most minimal of straight-bat punches. Suryakumar leaned across to
the off side and whipped his wrists to lift Chris Jordan over the
fine-leg boundary. Sometimes, high-quality shotmakers just do their
thing, no explanation needed, because no explanation makes any sense.




https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/t20-world-cup-2024-eng-vs-ind-jos-buttler-wishes-he-had-bowled-moeen-ali-on-turning-providence-pitch-1441268

"They certainly outplayed us," Buttler said at the post-match
presentation. "I think maybe we let them get 20-25 runs too many. That
was a challenging surface that they played well on. But they outplayed
us and fully deserved the win."

Morning rain delayed the start of play by more than an hour, and
returned to cause a further lengthy interlude midway through India's
innings, and England opted to stick to the same seam-heavy line-up that
had carried them through the Super Eight, with Reece Topley and Chris
Jordan both retained ahead of an extra spinner in Tom Hartley, as well
as Ben Duckett's prowess against the turning ball.

Moeen Ali, however, was overlooked, possibly as a consequence of the
damp conditions early in India's innings. Not only did Buttler admit he
had erred in ignoring Moeen, he also admitted that the eventual impact
of Rashid and Livingstone had caused him to fear what India's potent
spin attack could achieve on the same surface.

"Obviously, they've got some fantastic spinners," Buttler said. "Our two
guys bowled well, but in hindsight, I should have brought Moeen [on] in
that innings, with the way that the spin was playing.

[John Hall]

Post by miked
So its India vs RSA, justly so as they are the 2 unbeaten sides,
RSA 7 out of 7 are on a roll, but I will be surprised if they overcome
india.

Me too.

Post by miked
Its a pity that the pitch in guyana was so poor, in fact many of them
throughout,
especially as its nr the climax of the tourney and instead of showcasing
cricket
a very 1 sided match.
But england were outplayed and fell in a heap. Again I thought it weird
that
Moeen didnt bowl at all. I spose england might have been influenced to
field
on what happened in the afghan game, but they like to chase. Perhaps
they
need a setup which is a bit more flexible.
mike

All agreed (though as FBI... points out, it wasn't really a poor pitch,
just one not really conducive to stroke-play) . On a slow, low pitch
which was only likely to become slower and lower it looks like England
should have batted first in spite of worries about possible rain
interruptions leading to a shortened match. And it quickly became clear
that the slow bowlers were harder to get away than the quicks, so Moeen
surely should have bowled. But I suspect that England doing things
differently would only have reduced the margin of defeat. India were
just too good.

England have generally tended to struggle on this sort of a pitch, and
India were far superior. Only Buttler, Brook and - surprisingly - Archer
- were able to bat with any freedom, and Archer badly blotted his
copybook by his dreadful run-out of Livingstone. It was Livingstone's
call, Archer at first seemed to respond before sending his partner back
far too late, and anyway he should have been prepared to sacrifice his
wicket to protect the superior batsman.

Curran and Jordan were expensive, but otherwise I thought England bowled
OK.

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Post by John Hall

Post by miked
So its India vs RSA, justly so as they are the 2 unbeaten sides,
RSA 7 out of 7 are on a roll, but I will be surprised if they overcome
india.

weather forcast isnt great so i hope they have a reserve day or can play
til evening when it looks calmer. i dunno if its an omen but india
ladies
made 600 against RSA at chennai in nearly 40C.

Post by John Hall
Me too.

Post by miked
Its a pity that the pitch in guyana was so poor, in fact many of them
throughout,
especially as its nr the climax of the tourney and instead of showcasing
cricket
a very 1 sided match.

i should hvve said the afghan game was dissapointing in the pitch not
englands match

Post by John Hall

Post by miked
But england were outplayed and fell in a heap. Again I thought it weird
that
Moeen didnt bowl at all. I spose england might have been influenced to
field
on what happened in the afghan game, but they like to chase. Perhaps
they
need a setup which is a bit more flexible.
mike

All agreed (though as FBI... points out, it wasn't really a poor pitch,
just one not really conducive to stroke-play) . On a slow, low pitch
which was only likely to become slower and lower it looks like England
should have batted first in spite of worries about possible rain
interruptions leading to a shortened match. And it quickly became clear
that the slow bowlers were harder to get away than the quicks, so Moeen
surely should have bowled. But I suspect that England doing things
differently would only have reduced the margin of defeat. India were
just too good.
England have generally tended to struggle on this sort of a pitch, and
India were far superior. Only Buttler, Brook and - surprisingly - Archer
- were able to bat with any freedom, and Archer badly blotted his
copybook by his dreadful run-out of Livingstone. It was Livingstone's
call, Archer at first seemed to respond before sending his partner back
far too late, and anyway he should have been prepared to sacrifice his
wicket to protect the superior batsman.

yes it was embarrasing but i think they needed 72 off 4 and the doc
couldnt
find the boundary. His bowlings been better than his batting.

mike

[John Hall]

Post by miked
weather forcast isnt great so i hope they have a reserve day or can play
til evening when it looks calmer.

There's a reserve day. I don't know what the cut-off time is. Apparently
if they can't get a result after two days then the title will be shared,
which would obviously be far from ideal but at least might lead to the
ICC taking more account of the likely weather conditions in future when
deciding when and where to schedule competitions.

[David North]

Post by John Hall

Post by miked
weather forcast isnt great so i hope they have a reserve day or can play
til evening when it looks calmer.

There's a reserve day. I don't know what the cut-off time is. Apparently
if they can't get a result after two days then the title will be shared,
which would obviously be far from ideal but at least might lead to the
ICC taking more account of the likely weather conditions in future when
deciding when and where to schedule competitions.

Appendix G says: "the Reserve Day shall be used to either complete or
replay the match", but it doesn't actually say in what circumstances the
match is replayed. From the rest of the Appendix, it seems to be only if
there was no play on the scheduled day, but that seems to stretch the
meaning of "replay". If the toss takes place on the scheduled day, but
play has not started, the toss and the named teams stand.

https://images.icc-cricket.com/image/upload/prd/euhohq8vpgzi0urumg3y.pdf

Btw, the next line of the appendix after the one quoted above is rather
puzzling: "If the Reserve Day is used to continue an incomplete match
the Reserve Day shall be used." Any suggestions as to what they were
trying to say?

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On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 12:13:20 +0100, David North

Post by David North

Post by John Hall

Post by miked
weather forcast isnt great so i hope they have a reserve day or can play
til evening when it looks calmer.

There's a reserve day. I don't know what the cut-off time is. Apparently
if they can't get a result after two days then the title will be shared,
which would obviously be far from ideal but at least might lead to the
ICC taking more account of the likely weather conditions in future when
deciding when and where to schedule competitions.

Appendix G says: "the Reserve Day shall be used to either complete or
replay the match", but it doesn't actually say in what circumstances the
match is replayed. From the rest of the Appendix, it seems to be only if
there was no play on the scheduled day, but that seems to stretch the
meaning of "replay". If the toss takes place on the scheduled day, but
play has not started, the toss and the named teams stand.
https://images.icc-cricket.com/image/upload/prd/euhohq8vpgzi0urumg3y.pdf
Btw, the next line of the appendix after the one quoted above is rather
puzzling: "If the Reserve Day is used to continue an incomplete match
the Reserve Day shall be used." Any suggestions as to what they were
trying to say?

You lose the reserve day if you use the reserve day.

max.it

[John Hall]

Post by John Hall

Post by miked
weather forcast isnt great so i hope they have a reserve day or can play
til evening when it looks calmer.

There's a reserve day. I don't know what the cut-off time is.
Apparently if they can't get a result after two days then the title
will be shared, which would obviously be far from ideal but at least
might lead to the ICC taking more account of the likely weather
conditions in future when deciding when and where to schedule competitions.

Well the good news is that the reserve day wasn't needed, and there
weren't even any rain delays. Congrats to India, who held their nerve
under intense pressure. It was a great match, almost certainly the best
in this year's competition, and probably the best final ever. I know
there was the final where WI beat England thanks to Braithwaite hitting
four successive sixes off Stokes in the last over of the match when 23
runs were needed, but prior to that I don't remember it being all that
exciting, whereas this game had frequent changes of fortune.

[miked]

Post by John Hall

Post by John Hall

Post by miked
weather forcast isnt great so i hope they have a reserve day or can play
til evening when it looks calmer.

There's a reserve day. I don't know what the cut-off time is.
Apparently if they can't get a result after two days then the title
will be shared, which would obviously be far from ideal but at least
might lead to the ICC taking more account of the likely weather
conditions in future when deciding when and where to schedule
competitions.

sharing is at least fairer to both sides, although its gotta be bad if
you cant
complete a game which only lasts 20 overs a side.

Post by John Hall
Well the good news is that the reserve day wasn't needed, and there
weren't even any rain delays. Congrats to India, who held their nerve
under intense pressure. It was a great match, almost certainly the best
in this year's competition, and probably the best final ever. I know
there was the final where WI beat England thanks to Braithwaite hitting
four successive sixes off Stokes in the last over of the match when 23
runs were needed, but prior to that I don't remember it being all that
exciting, whereas this game had frequent changes of fortune.

yes it was all very tense until the last over. there seemed a long delay
when pant had a problem and klasen was out almost immediately after and
then
the game changed. I think it was 26 off 24, with 6 wkts in hand, but
they just kept losing wkts and it was tortuous if you wanted them to
win. RSA melted but India held their nerve. And whoever thought
Kohli was best opening was finally proved right. I thought indias
spinners
would be the vital difference but they went for 106 off 9 overs!

mike

mike